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Poster: Jim F Date: Jan 4, 2011 4:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oh No!!! Not The Dentist

Oh and yeah, dentists totally still use nitrous. I like to use the joke an old friend taught me where you ask for a take-home bag. But yeah it's medical grade nitrous mixed with pure oxygen, you're laid back in a chair and there are trained professionals around at all times. If you're going to use nitrous, it's the safest possible environment, which is why I always have them hook me up to the gas.

It's really amazing where your mind can go when hooked up to the stuff for an extended period of time. It's almost spiritual. It's a wonderful place to visit, especially when undergoing something like having people jabbing you in the mouth with needles and sharp, spinning pieces of metal. It really makes you not care too much about what they're doing (that part doesn't come until a few hours later when the novocaine wears off). But it's the only time I ever visit, I've never bought balloons of the stuff at concerts or anything.

Oh but no, Dark Star is an absolutely fantastic place to visit in that state. I really liked the time I played the second set from 2/28/69 during a previous dental surgery. You get the intense Cryptical, the dreamy Dark Star, a top-notch-and lengthy) Eleven, a soulful Death Don't, and then that Alligator>Caution...

Oh and no, I wasn't roller skating with chicks...I was alone just screwing around, practicing wrist shots or something or other related to hockey, as those were my street hockey days. I don't remember how it happened, but I lost my balance or something and landed SMACK on my face. It's one of the reasons I cannot watch the scene in American History X where Ed Norton puts the guy's mouth on the street curb and kicks his head. I'm getting shivers even thinking about it.

Anyway I chipped up a whole bunch of teeth, and the aftermath sucked. And that's on top of all the fillings I got as a kid that have gotten cracked and otherwise needed replacing over the years. I'm just waiting for two of my front teeth to fall out, those got the worst of my skating accident. Every year they had to keep putting new temporary crowns in because I was still growing. Then the nerve in one of them got infected or something and had died and it began to get extremely painful, just the worst horrible throbbing pain. I had to get a root canal on that one. As soon as they opened up the nerve, even through the numbness I could literally feel the pressure get relieved, I won't even get into what it looks like when you rinse and spit that out....

So when I finally hit 18 or so they said my body was done growing so I could get the permanent crowns. So I've had these things in here well over 10 years. Still holdin up, knock on wood....

Well on to get yet another one...I'll be sure and give the full report on my musical choice/s! lol

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 4, 2011 6:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oh No!!! Not The Dentist

Hey Jim--no biggie, but I have crowns and root canals without feeling pain whatsoever, and never been gassed. I may have the "best of the best" (I doubt it, but I did shop around), and a crown is like a walk in the park--seriously, I wouldn't even consider taking headphones. Likewise, the rootcanals are a bit longer, but I was absolutely shocked at how easy the first one was. And it was a huge molar.

Anyway--not saying you're a wimp, and go for the gas by all means, but for folks wondering how bad is it going to be, it all depends on your dentist.

I can offer the same advice about prostate surg too; do not visit a urologist that practices any method over ten yrs old...too early to explain, but you get the idea.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jan 4, 2011 8:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oh No!!! Not The Dentist

Huh. Can't quite relate to that topic. Anyone wanna talk childbirth? Ringo, Deb?

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jan 4, 2011 8:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oh No!!! The baby's coming now!!

Sure - lets. I have not experienced the pain personally (obviously) but I've been there for my wife and two kids - in fact, delivered the second one myself in our bedroom. (Bless her, my wife is a fast worker.) I can tell you however - she made sounds in a voice I've never heard before or since, more scary than the wildest Dark Star. The landlord downstairs thought I was torturing her, from his expression. She had back labor, and the baby was breech - so there was all due haste, I always assume with divine intervention. I was there to "catch" - I cannot claim any great facility - and the paramedics arrived about 5 minutes later. The wife always says childbirth is akin to a b.m., only imagine pushing out a basketball.

I'd like to refute WT - I don't necessarily think that the "right" dentist will always have the magic to an easier time in the chair. I do think some people are more sensitive to dental pain than others. The right guy can make a difference, but some people just react differently to pain. I hate the dentist.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 4, 2011 12:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oh No!!! The baby's coming now!!

Oh yeah, agreed; but the truth is, I am a MUCH bigger wimp than you or Jim, I can assure you, as can my wife, etc., etc.

Just an example, to get graphic, on the prostate thing, up until ten yrs ago, urologists thought that since the prostate wasn't well supplied with nerves a biopsy could be done without any pain killing procedures. After a few urologists had the procedure (seriously), they did more studies, and changed their minds. But only the new ones do it the "new way" (which involves pain relief at three levels: pills, gels, and one shot after the first two; with that done, it's painless). Docs that still do it the old way lead to patients, many of whom I know, that will NOT go back for this all impt test, cause it was so painful.

Back to dentists (hmmm, transitioning from one orifice [Rob?] to the other, eh?), the ones I have now use a numbing gel, prior to the needles, etc., etc., and thus, relative to ones I went to 20-30 yrs ago, it's almost pain free.

So, trust me, it's not that I am saying "don't get pain killers", it's just that with the right approaches, you defn don't need gas, or have to be worried about it. So, in fact, it'd be fine if the dentist said "hey, instead of all these other pain killing procedures, I'll give you gas".

Just wanted to make clear there are alternatives, and with those, no one really has to be worried about the pain per se. Trust me, I am really sensitive to pain, and that's what motivated me to avoid it. Agree that you might still have massive anxiety about the whole idea, teeth or prostate, but the pain can be dealt with. Generally.

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